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	<title>Nat Friedman &#187; 2003 &#187; July</title>
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		<title>31 July 2003</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nat Friedman</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Approximate ages of various of my friends when they wrote their first code (not counting copying from books):
 


Joe Shaw
4
TRS-80
BASIC


Phil Schwan
5
Tandy 1000
QuickBasic


Graydon Hoare
5
C64
BASIC


Jimmy Krehl
6
C64
BASIC


Nat Friedman
6
Apple ][
Logo/BASIC


Mike Shaver
7
C64
BASIC


Chris Blizzard
9
Franklin 1600
Logo/BASIC


Luis Villa
9
Apple ][
BASIC


Jacob Berkman
10
Apple ][
Logo/BASIC


Miguel de Icaza
12
C64
BASIC


Miles
12
286
Pascal


Alex Graveley
15
Linux
C++


 
 Summary of our IRC conversation on the subject:
 &#60;graydon&#62; Nat: do you think today's kids -- with their [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Approximate ages of various of my friends when they wrote their first code (not counting copying from books):
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<td>5</td>
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<td>BASIC</td>
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<td>Jimmy Krehl</td>
<td>6</td>
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<td>BASIC</td>
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<td>Nat Friedman</td>
<td>6</td>
<td>Apple ][</td>
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<td>7</td>
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<td>BASIC</td>
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<td>9</td>
<td>Franklin 1600</td>
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<td>Luis Villa</td>
<td>9</td>
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<td>12</td>
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<td>Miles</td>
<td>12</td>
<td>286</td>
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<p> Summary of our IRC conversation on the subject:
<p> <tt>&lt;graydon&gt; Nat: do you think today's kids -- with their massive overexposure to computers, but with crappy programming environments -- will learn to code earlier or later?<br /> &lt;Nat&gt; graydon: html + css + javascript is first now<br /> &lt;Nat&gt; but at 4 or 5 you don't have shit to publish<br /> &lt;Nat&gt; you want to make the computer do neat things<br /> &lt;graydon&gt; maybe a very popular MMORPG client with an embedded scripting system. in-game programming is a good hook, like MUDs.<br /> &lt;Nat&gt; good call y0<br /> &lt;shaver&gt; yeah<br /> &lt;boc_yyz&gt; i would have started earlier if leisure suit larry had some sort of programmable element to it<br /> </tt></p>
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		<title>20 July 2003</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2003 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nat Friedman</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[


     During my dashboard demo at OSCON.  



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		<title>19 July 2003</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2003 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nat Friedman</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[The power just went out in my building, causing my network to die (but not my laptop). So I was like: awe crap. I guess I&#8217;ll just watch TV.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The power just went out in my building, causing my network to die (but not my laptop). So I was like: awe crap. I guess I&#8217;ll just watch TV.</p>
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		<title>7 July 2003</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2003 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nat Friedman</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Last night a bunch of us swam across the Charles River, under the BU bridge. It was so beautiful, I wish I could&#8217;ve taken photos somehow.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last night a bunch of us swam across the Charles River, under the BU bridge. It was so beautiful, I wish I could&#8217;ve taken photos somehow.</p>
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		<title>4 July 2003</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2003 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nat Friedman</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[I just confirmed this.
 It took me about 5 minutes to even try it though, since &#8220;Screensaver&#8221; was renamed to &#8220;Screen Effects&#8221; in the new system preferences panel in OS X, and I couldn&#8217;t figure out how to turn on locking for the life of me.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just confirmed <a href="http://lists.netsys.com/pipermail/full-disclosure/2003-July/010910.html">this</a>.
<p> It took me about 5 minutes to even try it though, since &#8220;Screensaver&#8221; was renamed to &#8220;Screen Effects&#8221; in the new system preferences panel in OS X, and I couldn&#8217;t figure out how to turn on locking for the life of me.</p>
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		<title>3 July 2003</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2003 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nat Friedman</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[These photos by Henri Cartier-Bresson are probably the best portraits I&#8217;ve ever seen. I especially like the one of Oppenheimer, with the little shards of light coming into the room.
  . . . 
 Yup. August it is.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/museums/photogallery/bresson/">These</a> photos by <a href="http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1318621.html">Henri Cartier-Bresson</a> are probably the best portraits I&#8217;ve ever seen. I especially like the one of Oppenheimer, with the little shards of light coming into the room.
<p> <center> <b>. . .</b> </center>
<p> <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/06/27/BU181364.DTL">Yup</a>. August it is.</p>
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		<title>2 July 2003</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2003 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nat Friedman</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Just discovered Bart Decrem&#8217;s open source desktop news clippings list.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just discovered Bart Decrem&#8217;s open source desktop <a href="http://mail.fullcirclefund.org/pipermail/clippings/">news clippings</a> list.</p>
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		<title>1 July 2003</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2003 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nat Friedman</dc:creator>
		
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		<description><![CDATA[Dashboard hacking continues apace. Slow and steady progress, lots of issues. Zoe spent a few hours tracking down one of the nastier bugs for me this evening, so I promised to give her a hand with a painting she&#8217;s been working on.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://nat.org/dashboard">Dashboard hacking</a> continues apace. Slow and steady progress, lots of issues. <a href="http://nat.org/2003/february#21-February-2003">Zoe</a> spent a few hours tracking down one of the nastier bugs for me this evening, so I promised to give her a hand with a painting she&#8217;s been working on.</p>
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