Comments on: Guns, Guts and God http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/ Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:41:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: dhb http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-4249 dhb Wed, 14 Jan 2009 14:26:49 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-4249 Liberty, Equality, Humanity Liberty, Equality, Humanity

]]> By: Catherine Devlin http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1153 Catherine Devlin Fri, 30 May 2008 00:58:39 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-1153 How about "hearts and minds"? Liberalism has long been associated with compassion. Once, conservatism was associated with cold-eyed realism, but that has been fading away for decades, and rationality has been left for Democrats to pick up more or less by default. (I like to hope that McCain is a true remnant of what conservatism once meant. I hope McCain 2008 isn't as different from McCain 2000 as he sometimes seems.) How about “hearts and minds”? Liberalism has long been associated with compassion. Once, conservatism was associated with cold-eyed realism, but that has been fading away for decades, and rationality has been left for Democrats to pick up more or less by default.

(I like to hope that McCain is a true remnant of what conservatism once meant. I hope McCain 2008 isn’t as different from McCain 2000 as he sometimes seems.)

]]> By: misuba http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-450 misuba Sat, 12 Apr 2008 21:57:41 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-450 "Love is stronger than fear. Also, recycle. Democratic Party." “Love is stronger than fear. Also, recycle. Democratic Party.”

]]> By: Aaron http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-431 Aaron Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:20:28 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-431 The democratic party stands for sensible regulation, fair and open markets, and a level playing field. The democratic party stands for sensible regulation, fair and open markets, and a level playing field.

]]> By: James http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-323 James Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:31:20 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-323 Less politics, more interesting/tech related/funny stuff! Less politics, more interesting/tech related/funny stuff!

]]> By: Maxo http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-322 Maxo Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:01:32 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-322 I thought I would add that I am not and have never been registered as a Democrat and don't give a crapa bout the Democratic party. I thought I would add that I am not and have never been registered as a Democrat and don’t give a crapa bout the Democratic party.

]]> By: Maxo http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-321 Maxo Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:00:49 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-321 What makes a person a Democrat is much less definable, by definition. For example, a gay athiest is very likely to be a Democrat for obvious reasons, but a straight Christian can also fit in to the party just as well. One of the keys to liberalism is personal freedom of choice. One doesn't have to be gay, or even like gays, to say, "I dislike your personal decisions, but respect your right to live the life that works for you without being chastised." It is this acceptance that people can and should be the person that best fits them, that makes describing those on the left difficult. What makes a person a Democrat is much less definable, by definition.
For example, a gay athiest is very likely to be a Democrat for obvious reasons, but a straight Christian can also fit in to the party just as well. One of the keys to liberalism is personal freedom of choice. One doesn’t have to be gay, or even like gays, to say, “I dislike your personal decisions, but respect your right to live the life that works for you without being chastised.” It is this acceptance that people can and should be the person that best fits them, that makes describing those on the left difficult.

]]> By: Kennon http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-316 Kennon Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:51:58 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-316 High Taxes, Mediocrity enforced by Unions and Socialized Medicine! These are things that make the Democrats great...err not great? I love how it is implied over and over that intellectuals are always democrats. Living in California and spending a large part of my time in the Bay Area I would offer that most neo-liberals are rabid foaming-mouth socialist limousine liberals whose tears drop ever so mournfully into their $7 latte's over the state's poor and under-privileged. Their idea of helping out is throwing their Mexican gardener an extra Benjamin at Christmas time. Both parties are completely broken. In the eighties a moral majority shanghai'd the reps and in the late nineties the neo-facist radical left took over the dems. Watching politics is like watching professional wrestling now. :-) High Taxes, Mediocrity enforced by Unions and Socialized Medicine! These are things that make the Democrats great…err not great? I love how it is implied over and over that intellectuals are always democrats. Living in California and spending a large part of my time in the Bay Area I would offer that most neo-liberals are rabid foaming-mouth socialist limousine liberals whose tears drop ever so mournfully into their $7 latte’s over the state’s poor and under-privileged. Their idea of helping out is throwing their Mexican gardener an extra Benjamin at Christmas time. Both parties are completely broken. In the eighties a moral majority shanghai’d the reps and in the late nineties the neo-facist radical left took over the dems. Watching politics is like watching professional wrestling now. :-)

]]> By: Evil ZEN Scientist http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-313 Evil ZEN Scientist Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:09:11 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-313 "We're not Bush" “We’re not Bush”

]]> By: Kevin Dupuy http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-312 Kevin Dupuy Mon, 31 Mar 2008 03:06:49 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-312 Democrats: "We may not be able to agree on a nominee, but at least it's not John McCain" Disclaimer: I'm a conservative Republican, but I do have an idea for a new Republican slogan: "Attention neoconservatives: Please leave. Thanks" Democrats: “We may not be able to agree on a nominee, but at least it’s not John McCain”

Disclaimer: I’m a conservative Republican, but I do have an idea for a new Republican slogan: “Attention neoconservatives: Please leave. Thanks”

]]> By: Mike http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-311 Mike Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:54:28 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-311 @asd: So you're saying the Republican's slogan should actually be "Bigots, Bullets and Bedtime Stories make America great. Republican Party." Or maybe "Crucifying, Copyright and Cheating make America great. Republican Party." ? @asd: So you’re saying the Republican’s slogan should actually be “Bigots, Bullets and Bedtime Stories make America great. Republican Party.”

Or maybe “Crucifying, Copyright and Cheating make America great. Republican Party.”

?

]]> By: Javier http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-309 Javier Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:17:11 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-309 "Let it be"? “Let it be”?

]]> By: James Cape http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-307 James Cape Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:50:25 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-307 The problem is that the Democrats *are* precisely as mealy-mouthed and worn as they come off. They are nothing more than the lesser evil, at best a wonky technocrat, at worst an inept bureaucrat. Constantly suckered and afraid--both of the opinion of the "fiscal conservatives" upon who's donations they rely, and the words and actions of the hard left which may diminish those contributions. But, of course, they depend on the hard left as well. It's always a balancing act between the extremes, so you end up with a lot of false dichotomies and empty words. That said, in a choice between a technocrat and a brownshirt, it's certainly better to go with the technocrat, so let's aim the sloganeering thataways: The Democratic Party: Everyone Else Is Fucking Crazy! (youth-friendly) The Democratic Party: A Bourgeois State At It's Best (Aiming for the highly-educated intellectuals who don't already vote for us---all thirteen of them) Killin' Em With The Pen Is Cheaper. The Democratic Party. (North Carolina Will Be Ours!) The Democratic Party: Because Your Bedroom is Your Business (Kansas will buy this until they figure out that "your" is not an exclusive) We Sold Your Job To Mexico and Will Let The Queers Kiss! Fuck Yeah! (Retool: probably won't play well in Michigan) And perhaps the best of all: Because Human Extinction Is Forever. Vote Dems. The problem is that the Democrats *are* precisely as mealy-mouthed and worn as they come off. They are nothing more than the lesser evil, at best a wonky technocrat, at worst an inept bureaucrat. Constantly suckered and afraid–both of the opinion of the “fiscal conservatives” upon who’s donations they rely, and the words and actions of the hard left which may diminish those contributions. But, of course, they depend on the hard left as well. It’s always a balancing act between the extremes, so you end up with a lot of false dichotomies and empty words.

That said, in a choice between a technocrat and a brownshirt, it’s certainly better to go with the technocrat, so let’s aim the sloganeering thataways:

The Democratic Party: Everyone Else Is Fucking Crazy! (youth-friendly)

The Democratic Party: A Bourgeois State At It’s Best (Aiming for the highly-educated intellectuals who don’t already vote for us—all thirteen of them)

Killin’ Em With The Pen Is Cheaper. The Democratic Party. (North Carolina Will Be Ours!)

The Democratic Party: Because Your Bedroom is Your Business (Kansas will buy this until they figure out that “your” is not an exclusive)

We Sold Your Job To Mexico and Will Let The Queers Kiss! Fuck Yeah! (Retool: probably won’t play well in Michigan)

And perhaps the best of all:

Because Human Extinction Is Forever. Vote Dems.

]]> By: ethana2 http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-305 ethana2 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:10:22 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-305 ...they call themselves democrats, but they advocate a republican form of government. I'm getting tired of this. I'm a morally conservative meritocratic socialist. *sigh* Independent ticket: Just Use Yer Frigging Head. …they call themselves democrats, but they advocate a republican form of government. I’m getting tired of this.

I’m a morally conservative meritocratic socialist. *sigh*

Independent ticket: Just Use Yer Frigging Head.

]]> By: Waldo Jaquith http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-304 Waldo Jaquith Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:48:04 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-304 I often emphasize to Democratic candidates in my region the importance of not giving up on rural gun owners. (I'm a rural gun owner -- I two .22s and a 1948 Turkish Mauser.) It's the willingness to surrender certain demographics that's been so bad for the party. Though none of that is helping to come up with a slogan. I often emphasize to Democratic candidates in my region the importance of not giving up on rural gun owners. (I’m a rural gun owner — I two .22s and a 1948 Turkish Mauser.) It’s the willingness to surrender certain demographics that’s been so bad for the party.

Though none of that is helping to come up with a slogan.

]]> By: crf http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-302 crf Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:29:43 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-302 Building our future. Building our future.

]]> By: asd http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-300 asd Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:27:00 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-300 Peace, Porn, and Polygamy? Gays, Gifts, and Godlessness? Peace, Porn, and Polygamy?
Gays, Gifts, and Godlessness?

]]> By: nat http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-299 nat Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:19:07 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-299 Good point Russ. It's the intersection of Guns and God that evokes rural populations. And cities tend to be more liberal. Good point Russ.

It’s the intersection of Guns and God that evokes rural populations. And cities tend to be more liberal.

]]> By: Russ http://nat.org/blog/2008/03/guns-guts-and-god/comment-page-1/#comment-298 Russ Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:16:10 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=823#comment-298 Don't forget urban gun owners. Probably much more numerous that rural gun owners. Don’t forget urban gun owners. Probably much more numerous that rural gun owners.

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