Comments on: Running Linux in the browser http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/ Mon, 07 May 2012 20:05:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: pzktfe http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-7679 pzktfe Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:03:05 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-7679 7m9aZ3 <a href="http://gugcywcfqykt.com/" rel="nofollow">gugcywcfqykt</a> 7m9aZ3 gugcywcfqykt

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]]> By: Kaydence http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-7665 Kaydence Wed, 14 Dec 2011 05:40:01 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-7665 This is an artlice that makes you think "never thought of that!" This is an artlice that makes you think “never thought of that!”

]]> By: Vince http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4915 Vince Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:34:23 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4915 If you're making an appliance to run in a KVM instance, which output format is best? If you’re making an appliance to run in a KVM instance, which output format is best?

]]> By: Mike http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4908 Mike Sat, 15 Aug 2009 18:06:47 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4908 Hi Nat, on test drive, you build a flash applet from scratch or used an opensource (like flashligth-vnc) as base? Thanks, --mike Hi Nat,

on test drive, you build a flash applet from scratch or used an opensource (like flashligth-vnc) as base?

Thanks,

–mike

]]> By: Chris http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4817 Chris Wed, 05 Aug 2009 03:32:59 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4817 Hi Nat, Interesting how you use KVM internally put you target Xen in the images? I'd be interested to know why did you use KVM over Xen? Hi Nat,

Interesting how you use KVM internally put you target Xen in the images? I’d be interested to know why did you use KVM over Xen?

]]> By: Nat Friedman http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4769 Nat Friedman Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:30:50 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4769 Thanks Chris, I fixed the link! Feel free to contact us if you want to collaborate. Thanks Chris, I fixed the link! Feel free to contact us if you want to collaborate.

]]> By: Faidon Liambotis http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4768 Faidon Liambotis Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:24:42 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4768 Wow, very impressive. For us mere mortals that use our own KVM and would like to expose its screen to the Web, are you providing your Flash plugin for download & use by others (preferrably with source)? Thanks, Faidon Wow, very impressive.

For us mere mortals that use our own KVM and would like to expose its screen to the Web, are you providing your Flash plugin for download & use by others (preferrably with source)?

Thanks,
Faidon

]]> By: Chris Neal http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4763 Chris Neal Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:09:32 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4763 Hi Nat, Congratulations on the launch of SUSE Studio. Kev Smith introduced me to it and what the team has achieved in the user experience is very impressive. It may also be worth my team looking further into the VNC/Flash implementation you did to see if we could benefit from re-using it on our NODS virtual machine hosting service (for demos). PS your KVM definition link is broken (in the Java vs Flash section). Chris Hi Nat,

Congratulations on the launch of SUSE Studio. Kev Smith introduced me to it and what the team has achieved in the user experience is very impressive. It may also be worth my team looking further into the VNC/Flash implementation you did to see if we could benefit from re-using it on our NODS virtual machine hosting service (for demos).

PS your KVM definition link is broken (in the Java vs Flash section).

Chris

]]> By: Nat Friedman http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4755 Nat Friedman Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:49:13 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4755 NX indeed works well, but that's mostly because it has a lot of detailed knowledge about what's happening at the windowing system level. So for example, when a window moves, it knows that a window is moving, or when the mouse moves, it knows that it can just send a PointerMoved event. In this way, NX has the same advantages as Xvnc (although NX is better, as you point out). Unfortunately NoMachine/NX wouldn't work with a framebuffer, which is all you get from a virtual machine, so we couldn't use it with Testdrive. Thanks for the comment! NX indeed works well, but that’s mostly because it has a lot of detailed knowledge about what’s happening at the windowing system level. So for example, when a window moves, it knows that a window is moving, or when the mouse moves, it knows that it can just send a PointerMoved event. In this way, NX has the same advantages as Xvnc (although NX is better, as you point out).

Unfortunately NoMachine/NX wouldn’t work with a framebuffer, which is all you get from a virtual machine, so we couldn’t use it with Testdrive.

Thanks for the comment!

]]> By: Kristleifur Daðason http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4754 Kristleifur Daðason Sun, 02 Aug 2009 21:33:18 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4754 Why didn't you just use NX / Nomachine? Nothing you do to VNC will come close to the splendor of NX. Why didn’t you just use NX / Nomachine?

Nothing you do to VNC will come close to the splendor of NX.

]]> By: Nat Friedman http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4751 Nat Friedman Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:37:47 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4751 Good idea. We've talked about this sort of thing, so it might be something we eventually do. We also have thought about saving the modified files as patches instead of whole files, which could help a lot. And it would be neat to automatically detect the semantics of certain changes, e.g. "Added a launcher to the desktop." Good idea. We’ve talked about this sort of thing, so it might be something we eventually do.

We also have thought about saving the modified files as patches instead of whole files, which could help a lot.

And it would be neat to automatically detect the semantics of certain changes, e.g. “Added a launcher to the desktop.”

]]> By: Nat Friedman http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4750 Nat Friedman Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:36:26 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4750 I'm pretty sure it would not be hard to get the open source flash implementations to work with this. I’m pretty sure it would not be hard to get the open source flash implementations to work with this.

]]> By: Anonymous http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4749 Anonymous Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:42:04 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4749 That looks awesome. Any chance of a Firefox add-on or similar, for those of us who refuse to use proprietary software like Flash? Or, alternatively, any chance of allowing direct VNC connections? That looks awesome. Any chance of a Firefox add-on or similar, for those of us who refuse to use proprietary software like Flash? Or, alternatively, any chance of allowing direct VNC connections?

]]> By: Peter Frandsen http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4737 Peter Frandsen Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:09:03 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4737 Hi - great stuff!! When I saw the "modified files" screencast I thought that it would be neat if I could bundle/group modifications by name/tag instead of just time based. Sort of like: In the testdrive web interface: start group/tag "somename" Do a bunch of modifications end group/tag Result: a named set of modified files. Maybee this set of modifications could even be saved and applied to another appliance. Regards /Peter Hi – great stuff!! When I saw the “modified files” screencast I thought that it would be neat if I could bundle/group modifications by name/tag instead of just time based. Sort of like:

In the testdrive web interface: start group/tag “somename”
Do a bunch of modifications
end group/tag

Result: a named set of modified files.

Maybee this set of modifications could even be saved and applied to another appliance.

Regards

/Peter

]]> By: JS http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4736 JS Thu, 30 Jul 2009 07:08:28 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4736 Can you add QEMU (or something similar) as a target so the images can run under Windows without any install at all? If you went all the way and included QEMU as part of the ISO (auto-start) then you'd be completely stand-alone. Can you add QEMU (or something similar) as a target so the images can run under Windows without any install at all? If you went all the way and included QEMU as part of the ISO (auto-start) then you’d be completely stand-alone.

]]> By: Nat Friedman http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4735 Nat Friedman Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:44:03 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4735 Hey Ben, Good point on IPMI vendors. That would be great. The advantage of EC2 is you don't have to employ anyone to look after your cluster hardware. I didn't cost that into my estimate above, and it probably would have made a difference. Though there were other technical reasons we couldn't use EC2. Anyway, yeah, I agree, if you have a big service, EC2 looks expensive today. Best, Nat Hey Ben,

Good point on IPMI vendors. That would be great.

The advantage of EC2 is you don’t have to employ anyone to look after your cluster hardware. I didn’t cost that into my estimate above, and it probably would have made a difference. Though there were other technical reasons we couldn’t use EC2. Anyway, yeah, I agree, if you have a big service, EC2 looks expensive today.

Best,
Nat

]]> By: Peter Bowen http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4734 Peter Bowen Thu, 30 Jul 2009 06:29:11 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4734 Ben, we are being pretty conservative on our VM to hardware ratio. We are using two socket quad core machines with good amounts of RAM. We could probably increase our VM per CPU core, but so far we have not needed to. Ben, we are being pretty conservative on our VM to hardware ratio. We are using two socket quad core machines with good amounts of RAM. We could probably increase our VM per CPU core, but so far we have not needed to.

]]> By: henare http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4733 henare Thu, 30 Jul 2009 05:09:13 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4733 Hey Nat, Thanks very much for this post. It's really interesting to hear about the different iterations of SUSE Studio and the decisions you made throughout the development process. Especially given I played with it a bit a while back - I didn't even know you'd switched to Flash for Testdrive! :) Cheers, Henare Hey Nat,

Thanks very much for this post. It’s really interesting to hear about the different iterations of SUSE Studio and the decisions you made throughout the development process.

Especially given I played with it a bit a while back – I didn’t even know you’d switched to Flash for Testdrive! :)

Cheers,

Henare

]]> By: Ben Maurer http://nat.org/blog/2009/07/linux-in-the-browser/comment-page-1/#comment-4731 Ben Maurer Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:45:10 +0000 http://nat.org/blog/?p=1134#comment-4731 Nat, The flash / VNC setup is nifty. On windows I always liked that they made remote desktop available via HTTP (they used a propritary plugin, but if you were on a windows box the experience was great). It'd be fantastic to have it be standard that when you want to use a machine, you simply browse to it on the web and get a flash VNC interface (also, IPMI card vendors really have got to implement this!) About not hosting on EC2 -- I couldn't agree with you more. Amazon's pricing is absurd. The fact that they have not cut prices in 3 years of service is quite a genius way to increase their profit margins. The hardware pricing sounds a bit on the expensive side. For $2500 each, you should be able to get 2x quad core xeons (so 16 hardware threads) and 24 GB of ram -- that should easily be able to support 25-30 VMs. Nat,

The flash / VNC setup is nifty. On windows I always liked that they made remote desktop available via HTTP (they used a propritary plugin, but if you were on a windows box the experience was great). It’d be fantastic to have it be standard that when you want to use a machine, you simply browse to it on the web and get a flash VNC interface (also, IPMI card vendors really have got to implement this!)

About not hosting on EC2 — I couldn’t agree with you more. Amazon’s pricing is absurd. The fact that they have not cut prices in 3 years of service is quite a genius way to increase their profit margins.

The hardware pricing sounds a bit on the expensive side. For $2500 each, you should be able to get 2x quad core xeons (so 16 hardware threads) and 24 GB of ram — that should easily be able to support 25-30 VMs.

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