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		<title>By: alzcsfsjs</title>
		<link>http://nat.org/blog/2010/05/zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-7675</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Deon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A provocative ignshit! Just what we need!</description>
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		<title>By: Jady</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 06:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your articles are alyaws this helpful, &quot;I&#039;ll be back.&quot;</description>
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		<title>By: Johnno Loggie</title>
		<link>http://nat.org/blog/2010/05/zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-6769</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 04:41:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at a zoo yesterday as it was attached to a tourist trail of hot springs in Beppu Japan. It was horiffic to see an African elephant in a cage smaller than my flat/appartment. My boyfriend and I had to rush through as we didn&#039;t want to see it. He was in tears by the exit gate.  When discussing it I mentioned how children would be facinated but not understand how the context was wrong. We have to move on and stop this so that we can teach children that this is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at a zoo yesterday as it was attached to a tourist trail of hot springs in Beppu Japan. It was horiffic to see an African elephant in a cage smaller than my flat/appartment. My boyfriend and I had to rush through as we didn&#8217;t want to see it. He was in tears by the exit gate.  When discussing it I mentioned how children would be facinated but not understand how the context was wrong. We have to move on and stop this so that we can teach children that this is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: jano</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A tend to agree, but zoos generally do not limit themselves to remedying damages we made to some animals/species. They rather try to be attractive and show the more animals the better.

Additionally, i&#039;d rather see resources used on preventing the causes of more species extinction, than on trying to save the last living heads of some species. And i also try to do this prevention myself by lowering my demands for resources (being vegan, not buying car, not upgrading or buying new hardware without good thinking, lowering my waste production and energy consumption, supporting organizations evangelizing this).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tend to agree, but zoos generally do not limit themselves to remedying damages we made to some animals/species. They rather try to be attractive and show the more animals the better.</p>
<p>Additionally, i&#8217;d rather see resources used on preventing the causes of more species extinction, than on trying to save the last living heads of some species. And i also try to do this prevention myself by lowering my demands for resources (being vegan, not buying car, not upgrading or buying new hardware without good thinking, lowering my waste production and energy consumption, supporting organizations evangelizing this).</p>
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		<title>By: jano</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nat, i agree with you on unnecessity of zoos. Even on watching animal HD videos (we buy the hardware anyway, and we can share the hardware and watch it in groups to save a bit of resources). But i wouldn&#039;t go as far as traveling to far wild lands to watch animals not common in my neighborhood. There&#039;s plenty of life to be fascinated about almost anywhere on the planet. But i&#039;m in a minority with such attitudes, too (me being veg, too. glad to know you are, too!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nat, i agree with you on unnecessity of zoos. Even on watching animal HD videos (we buy the hardware anyway, and we can share the hardware and watch it in groups to save a bit of resources). But i wouldn&#8217;t go as far as traveling to far wild lands to watch animals not common in my neighborhood. There&#8217;s plenty of life to be fascinated about almost anywhere on the planet. But i&#8217;m in a minority with such attitudes, too (me being veg, too. glad to know you are, too!).</p>
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		<title>By: AndyFitz</title>
		<link>http://nat.org/blog/2010/05/zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-6689</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jun 2010 18:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you,  as a market place, we&#039;re just not there yet and it&#039;s a situation that needs more involvement from observers than cursory apathy (which i&#039;m hypocritically about to dive into) 

I&#039;m sure you had taken into account that many zoos (in-fact 100% of zoos in Australia and New Zealand) host conservation efforts at their zoos that rely on tourism to both fund their projects and raise awareness.

On conservation, there are some heartbreaking documentaries about the big game animal parks in Africa which rely 100% on privately funded hunting on their grounds to fund animal conservation efforts. Its the basis of an ongoing huge ethical dilemma for the zoo keepers.  to me it&#039;s like screwing for virginity when you get two virgins for every one you screw... the math adds up but it&#039;ll always be wrong.

While awareness can be mostly taken care of with youtube etc. Digital video and interactive digital content hasn&#039;t yet claimed the same transaction-based value as gate tickets for a trip to the zoo (as a physical location) but some would argue that the scale of the internet provides a larger market. nobody knows &#039;the size of the prize&#039;  for attempting something like this and my understanding is that current efforts are conservative at best.    The cams in zoos are a great intermediary but substituting anything electronic for the benefits of a day outdoors with the family is going to be a very very very hard sell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you,  as a market place, we&#8217;re just not there yet and it&#8217;s a situation that needs more involvement from observers than cursory apathy (which i&#8217;m hypocritically about to dive into) </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure you had taken into account that many zoos (in-fact 100% of zoos in Australia and New Zealand) host conservation efforts at their zoos that rely on tourism to both fund their projects and raise awareness.</p>
<p>On conservation, there are some heartbreaking documentaries about the big game animal parks in Africa which rely 100% on privately funded hunting on their grounds to fund animal conservation efforts. Its the basis of an ongoing huge ethical dilemma for the zoo keepers.  to me it&#8217;s like screwing for virginity when you get two virgins for every one you screw&#8230; the math adds up but it&#8217;ll always be wrong.</p>
<p>While awareness can be mostly taken care of with youtube etc. Digital video and interactive digital content hasn&#8217;t yet claimed the same transaction-based value as gate tickets for a trip to the zoo (as a physical location) but some would argue that the scale of the internet provides a larger market. nobody knows &#8216;the size of the prize&#8217;  for attempting something like this and my understanding is that current efforts are conservative at best.    The cams in zoos are a great intermediary but substituting anything electronic for the benefits of a day outdoors with the family is going to be a very very very hard sell</p>
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		<title>By: Benny C</title>
		<link>http://nat.org/blog/2010/05/zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-6688</link>
		<dc:creator>Benny C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*We* don&#039;t need to stop human population growth.  Nature will take care of that, just as it does for every other species.</description>
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		<title>By: James Tan</title>
		<link>http://nat.org/blog/2010/05/zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-6687</link>
		<dc:creator>James Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2010 06:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a first step, live webcams are getting set up in some zoos, eg:
http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/WebCams/default.cfm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a first step, live webcams are getting set up in some zoos, eg:<br />
<a href="http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/WebCams/default.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/WebCams/default.cfm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andy Crouch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Crouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 21:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a brilliant idea. 

I am all for breeding programs but only today was discussing with my wife how I could not keep animals that are &quot;contained&quot; as I never feel the container is big enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a brilliant idea. </p>
<p>I am all for breeding programs but only today was discussing with my wife how I could not keep animals that are &#8220;contained&#8221; as I never feel the container is big enough.</p>
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		<title>By: James Henstridge</title>
		<link>http://nat.org/blog/2010/05/zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-6684</link>
		<dc:creator>James Henstridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 May 2010 13:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How can you consider forced sterilisation non violent?</description>
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		<title>By: sree</title>
		<link>http://nat.org/blog/2010/05/zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-6683</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.arkive.org/

Not exactly linked to a zoo, but it has a very nice catalogue of videos.</description>
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<p>Not exactly linked to a zoo, but it has a very nice catalogue of videos.</p>
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		<title>By: Stormy</title>
		<link>http://nat.org/blog/2010/05/zoo/comment-page-1/#comment-6682</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 14:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoos play an important role in some (but probably not most species.) They have breeding programs for endangered animals. They also study how to help them in the wild. And some of them take rescue animals. For example, some of the Denver sea lions come from a rescue group in California. One is missing its tail. Another was injured and rescued too early in life and can&#039;t live in the wild.

While some of the animals look miserable to me (polar bears, hippos, etc), some species are being helped by zoos. (I&#039;d love to see them let the lions really hunt ... they always look so bored.)

I think the newer and remodeled zoos have better habitats for the animals but there&#039;s still a lot of work to be done ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoos play an important role in some (but probably not most species.) They have breeding programs for endangered animals. They also study how to help them in the wild. And some of them take rescue animals. For example, some of the Denver sea lions come from a rescue group in California. One is missing its tail. Another was injured and rescued too early in life and can&#8217;t live in the wild.</p>
<p>While some of the animals look miserable to me (polar bears, hippos, etc), some species are being helped by zoos. (I&#8217;d love to see them let the lions really hunt &#8230; they always look so bored.)</p>
<p>I think the newer and remodeled zoos have better habitats for the animals but there&#8217;s still a lot of work to be done &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 13:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nat, I felt the same way as you the last time I visited a zoo.  I thought it would be like going as a child, but instead it felt uncomfortable and wrong.  It was supposed to be a fun date for me and my wife, but instead it was just depressing to me.

That being said, I have to strongly agree with Kennon on a few points.  There *is* a difference between seeing a youtube video and being a few feet away from a wild animal, having it look right at you, smelling it, etc etc.  If you want kids to empathize with animals, you&#039;re not going to be able to achieve it with youtube alone.

I know many animals at zoos are (or were) injured in some way that would lead to certain death in the wild, or were the victims of habitat destruction, etc.  I don&#039;t know if this is true of all of them.  But given that, and the importance of teaching children about life on earth, I think that zoos are a bearable necessity.

Though seeing animals in small artificial habitats may depress me, I will put on a happy face and take my son as soon as he is old enough, because I think the benefits to him outweigh the cost to me, and ultimately, the benefits to all animals outweigh the cost to those animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nat, I felt the same way as you the last time I visited a zoo.  I thought it would be like going as a child, but instead it felt uncomfortable and wrong.  It was supposed to be a fun date for me and my wife, but instead it was just depressing to me.</p>
<p>That being said, I have to strongly agree with Kennon on a few points.  There *is* a difference between seeing a youtube video and being a few feet away from a wild animal, having it look right at you, smelling it, etc etc.  If you want kids to empathize with animals, you&#8217;re not going to be able to achieve it with youtube alone.</p>
<p>I know many animals at zoos are (or were) injured in some way that would lead to certain death in the wild, or were the victims of habitat destruction, etc.  I don&#8217;t know if this is true of all of them.  But given that, and the importance of teaching children about life on earth, I think that zoos are a bearable necessity.</p>
<p>Though seeing animals in small artificial habitats may depress me, I will put on a happy face and take my son as soon as he is old enough, because I think the benefits to him outweigh the cost to me, and ultimately, the benefits to all animals outweigh the cost to those animals.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Smol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Smol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 09:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A) getmiro.com
B) search for Earth Touch in HD</description>
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B) search for Earth Touch in HD</p>
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		<title>By: maweki</title>
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		<dc:creator>maweki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 09:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you should visit the zoo in Leipzig, they have comparatively huge nature-like habitats for the animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you should visit the zoo in Leipzig, they have comparatively huge nature-like habitats for the animals.</p>
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		<title>By: someone</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 08:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh, yes we do need to stop human population growth.</description>
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		<title>By: foo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 08:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Watch out, these guys will come after you:

http://www.vegetablecruelty.com/</description>
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		<title>By: Kennon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kennon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 07:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know as a parent, my daughter has a much greater appreciation for the animals she has been close to in real life. We spend a lot of time at the zoo and the aquarium. Those live animals on the other side of the glass are much more real to her than anything she would ever view on a TV or computer monitor. I think the argument could even be made that a few animals who might be a little uncomfortable in captivity at a well-equiped facility are a worthy sacrifice to help humans feel connected to them so that they will, as adults, strive to protect those same species in their natural habitats. I am not by any means condoning or justifying any type of abuse or mistreatment of any animal. I am merely suggesting that the ability for children today to create a personal connection with an animal in a controlled environment today may save thousands of those animals when that child is an adult. Now a circus on the other hand...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know as a parent, my daughter has a much greater appreciation for the animals she has been close to in real life. We spend a lot of time at the zoo and the aquarium. Those live animals on the other side of the glass are much more real to her than anything she would ever view on a TV or computer monitor. I think the argument could even be made that a few animals who might be a little uncomfortable in captivity at a well-equiped facility are a worthy sacrifice to help humans feel connected to them so that they will, as adults, strive to protect those same species in their natural habitats. I am not by any means condoning or justifying any type of abuse or mistreatment of any animal. I am merely suggesting that the ability for children today to create a personal connection with an animal in a controlled environment today may save thousands of those animals when that child is an adult. Now a circus on the other hand&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Art Taylor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 06:20:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoos have always depressed me, but I have a history of feeling more empathy for animals than people.  If I were the sort to care, I&#039;m sure the DSM would have something to say about me.

My wife really likes zoos, but I find them wrong on a visceral level.  The last zoo I went to was the Central Park Zoo, and seeing the polar bears (and all of the animals) with such a small area to roam and swim, compared to their natural habitat[1], was profoundly disturbing.

[1] Yes, global warming, humans are bastards, etc., I hate that too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoos have always depressed me, but I have a history of feeling more empathy for animals than people.  If I were the sort to care, I&#8217;m sure the DSM would have something to say about me.</p>
<p>My wife really likes zoos, but I find them wrong on a visceral level.  The last zoo I went to was the Central Park Zoo, and seeing the polar bears (and all of the animals) with such a small area to roam and swim, compared to their natural habitat[1], was profoundly disturbing.</p>
<p>[1] Yes, global warming, humans are bastards, etc., I hate that too.</p>
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